Sep 4 2012
Rereading Deming’s 14 points
The richest discussion in this blog to date, on Deming versus Drucker, is all about point 11.b. from the list of 14 points that is the best known legacy of Deming’s 1986 book Out of the Crisis. But what are his actual 14 points, and who are they intended for? Let us start with Deming’s own summary, from p. 23 of the book:
- Create constancy of purpose toward improvement of product and service, with the aim to become competitive, stay in business and to provide jobs.
- Adopt the new philosophy. We are in a new economic age. Western management must awaken to the challenge, must learn their responsibilities, and take on leadership for change.
- Cease dependence on inspection to achieve quality. Eliminate the need for massive inspection by building quality into the product in the first place.
- End the practice of awarding business on the basis of a price tag. Instead, minimize total cost. Move towards a single supplier for any one item, on a long-term relationship of loyalty and trust.
- Improve constantly and forever the system of production and service, to improve quality and productivity, and thus constantly decrease costs.
- Institute training on the job.
- Institute leadership (see Point 12 and Ch. 8 of Out of the Crisis). The aim of supervision should be to help people and machines and gadgets do a better job. Supervision of management is in need of overhaul, as well as supervision of production workers.
- Drive out fear, so that everyone may work effectively for the company. (See Ch. 3 of Out of the Crisis)
- Break down barriers between departments. People in research, design, sales, and production must work as a team, in order to foresee problems of production and usage that may be encountered with the product or service.
- Eliminate slogans, exhortations, and targets for the work force asking for zero defects and new levels of productivity. Such exhortations only create adversarial relationships, as the bulk of the causes of low quality and low productivity belong to the system and thus lie beyond the power of the work force.
- a. Eliminate work standards (quotas) on the factory floor. Substitute with leadership.
b. Eliminate management by objective. Eliminate management by numbers and numerical goals. Instead substitute with leadership.- a. Remove barriers that rob the hourly worker of his right to pride of workmanship. The responsibility of supervisors must be changed from sheer numbers to quality.
b. Remove barriers that rob people in management and in engineering of their right to pride of workmanship. This means, inter alia, abolishment of the annual or merit rating and of management by objectives (See Ch. 3 of Out of the Crisis).- Institute a vigorous program of education and self-improvement.
- Put everybody in the company to work to accomplish the transformation. The transformation is everybody’s job.
On the face of it, this is an odd mixture of actionable recommendations — like “a single supplier for any one item” — with generalities like “adopt the new philosophy,” and expressions like “a vigorous program” that don’t meet Deming’s own criteria for an operational definition (See Ch. 9 of Out of the Crisis). As a consequence, the summary is not sufficient to understand what Deming actually meant.
Deming elaborates on each point in the remainder of Ch. 2 but, contrary to what the reader might expect, the whole book is not organized around the 14 points. About 20 years after Deming, in The Toyota Way, Liker also identified 14 principles, and then devoted a chapter to each, which gives the reader a sense of structure that is missing in Deming’s book.
On the other hand, what comes out of Deming’s book is a sense of urgency. He was in his eighties when he wrote it, a celebrated figure in Japan but obscure in the US until 1980 when NBC aired its documentary If Japan Can… Why Can’t We? In the early 1980s, industries like steel, cars, semiconductors, and consumer electronics in the US were facing formidable competition from Japan, but most American managers credited it to long working hours for low wages and unfair trade practices. The idea that there was anything to learn from Japan was a hard sell, and only a few, well-informed individuals like Deming knew that it was the case.
Deming obviously felt he had much to say to American management that was essential to future competitiveness, and little time to say it. He couldn’t afford to sugarcoat his message and didn’t have the leisure to organize it into a neat theory. His readers would just have to handle the truth and organize the parts themselves.
Deming is blunt and direct, and backs up his assertions with examples. He is often prophetic but, in hindsight from 2012, occasionally off the mark. He correctly predicted that Japan would achieve a standard of living on a par with the US and Western Europe, but he perceived the breakup of the AT&T monopoly as “wrecking our system of telephone communication” (p.152), which works pretty well for a wreck.
One criticism I have for all lists of 14 points, whether from Woodrow Wilson, Deming, or Liker, is that they are impossible to remember. They should have boiled their lists down to 7 or even 5 points. I will have more detailed comments on each point in forthcoming posts.
Gregg Stocker
September 4, 2012 @ 9:27 am
Michel – I agree with your critique about Deming’s 14 points; which is why I have always liked the System of Profound Knowledge he presented in “The New Economics,” much better. Deming was very emotional about the fact that his job was to provide a theory of leadership (for lack of a better term, “the what”) but that he was in no position to provide “the how.” In fact, he would get pretty angry if anyone asked him specifics on how to apply his theory in a specific situation.
I also see Deming and Drucker as very complementary. Even though Deming openly attacked MBO, he was talking about the application of it rather than the theory (Drucker also attacked the mis-application of MBO). On one occasion, I heard Deming state that most people applying MBO had not read or understood Drucker’s book on the subject.
Drucker was big on answering three basic questions: (1) what did you trying to do?; (2) how are you doing?; and (3) what are you doing about it? This is very closely aligned with PDCA (or PDSA, as Deming adamantly presented).
Nice post . . . keep it up!
Gregg Stocker
http://corporatedeathspiral.blogspot.com
Bill Bryant
September 4, 2012 @ 6:44 pm
Everyone, having studied under both Drucker at Claremont college and Deming during his famous 4 days with dr. Deming, I learned one thing. Every time I thought they were wrong, I didn’t understand their material. I was with Drucker in a lecture when business men were strongly questioning the MBO strategy. He did indead state ” that what most people are doing with MBO is nothing that he Drucker would recognize and they should really take the time to read what he had written or call it something else”. Also, he is tired of taken the heat for how they are screwing up American businesses!
Deming was talking about – no system to fix the production issues yet numerical goals that they would be hammered on, all they while the system was not capable! He recongnized that there was also a great divide between workers and managers. Workers were mindless complainers and managers or management had to tell them what to do to make the numbers. I also think that at this time, the points where a bit like the big lists of what American management is doing wrong that was /is stopping america from becoming better. A point I still see happening today, but less with the advancement of Lean. There are many companies and organizations that see the 14points as unrealistic and lean is just wrong for them. Both of the Dr. D’s can still teach us a lot, if we listen!
Chris Stergiou
September 4, 2012 @ 3:30 pm
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That’s great Michel. Now you’re going to force us all to think, just when we were comfortable in our pre- conceived notions…. 🙂
I can’t locate my copy right now, I bought it in 1985 from the MIT bookstore, which was the only Boston bookstore that had it at the time, and I recommended it, (as required reading) to the suppliers that I had the responsibility of working with while working at a computer company at that time…. who proceeded to “freak out” at what Deming was saying about eliminating goals, measures, metrics…. etc.
Since you have access to an electronic copy, can you post part of the preface/introduction where he makes an urgent call to action…. pretty dramatic and dogmatic I thought.
Thanks and looking forward to this discussion.
Chris
Michel Baudin
September 4, 2012 @ 4:59 pm
I actually have only a paper copy, printed in 1991, and defective, with about 5 blank pages.
Wayne G. Fischer, PhD
September 5, 2012 @ 6:47 am
I always felt that Deming wrote _Out of the Crisis_ the way he did was to force the reader to really *think* about what he was saying. I believe he thought those who wanted everything “laid out” for them were too lazy and unmotivated to really change – first their thinking (i.e., themselves), then their management approach, and finally their work processes.
Michel Baudin
September 5, 2012 @ 7:22 am
I don’t know whether it was Deming’s philosophy but, as an author, I disagree with it. Readers who commit their money to your book deserve more consideration. They are your customers and it behooves you to lay out the materials as clearly and as simply as you can. I also believe in making it easy for readers to find information, by having a detailed table of contents, an index, and a summary at the head of each chapter.
Chris Stergiou
September 5, 2012 @ 8:28 am
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It’s not a “how to” manual Michel.
Deming was a teacher and his style, as with most good teachers, is to expose the student(s) to a unified approach without limiting them with his own experience as they learned to apply the unified approach to their own reality. Thus the “vagueness”.
He does provide examples but they are meant to drive the point home, not be “cut and paste” in a particular circumstance. His work is a good synthesis of the methods of the specialists who were his contemporaries, Juran, Shewhart etc. but kicks it all “upstairs” to senior management that can’t / shouldn’t be bothered with the details of how….. as an example, Point 12, is something that can be accomplished by a senior policy decision by senior management and in a way that’s consistent with the “culture” of a particular organization.
I think by the time his message came back to the US, the ranks of senior management were pretty light in terms of the leadership traits it took to get this message across, as the WWII Military Officer Corps that had created the best leaders, was all by retired…. but that’s just a theory I have.
Chris
Michael Bremer
September 5, 2012 @ 8:59 am
I hear what you are saying Michel. It is not well organized, but if you looked at the raw material Deming had that proceeded the book (a gigantic stack of three ring binder paper….not in a binder). I have no idea how he kept the stack organized, but that was his bible – the book is much better organized than the way he went through that stack. The 14 points are debatable, but they do contain deep insight.
I tend to agree with two things mentioned earlier. His Theory of Profound Knowledge is just 4 points (more or less) and it does hang together. I also feel, when I thought he was making a mistake…I simply did not know enough to understand at that point in time. Off to catch a flight….take care all.
M
Michel Baudin
September 5, 2012 @ 9:35 am
I will stick with my old-man-in-a-hurry theory. I prefer to think of it that way rather than assume that flaws in the book were deliberate or that the author didn’t know any better.
The book is a better read when you see it as what a man of great accomplishments wanted to pass on while he could. And you don’t hesitate to cut him slack that you wouldn’t to a younger author.
Jesse Gentile
September 5, 2012 @ 8:44 am
As with most things, there is no real philosophy that once adopted will universally apply. Often times, people are looking for that magic formula or checklist of activities to guarantee success. As such they will most certainly be subject to scrutiny. Each philosophy or approach offers some value. Careful research and understanding the various systems within your organization is by far the most important consideration while reading the works of these great authors. Once you begin to understand the dynamics of your organization and where the gaps lie, you can begin to understand the deeper foundation of each philosophy. The common sense provided by Demming, Drucker, Juran, or those found within the Toyota Way as detailed by Liker can then be applied piecemeal or more appropriately, built into your specifc QMS. I think it is important to study these materials and consider what the author is saying but more specifically determine what it means to you and your organization and what components will best suit your organization.
Mark Barchenko
September 9, 2012 @ 6:32 am
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Dr. Mirmohamad Rouzbeh
September 9, 2012 @ 6:34 am
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Praveen Gupta
September 9, 2012 @ 6:37 am
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Michel Baudin
September 9, 2012 @ 7:09 am
In the movie Casablanca, there is a character who says: “As the leader of all illegal activities, I am an influential and respected man.”
Whatever we may think of Drucker’s — or Deming’s — contributions, they are both influential and respected men in different circles. Quality professionals may not have much use for Drucker, but he is revered by America’s MBAs, to whom Deming is a footnote.
The reason to compare them is that point 11b. of Deming’s 14 prescribes the elimination of an approach that Drucker invented. In his 14 points, Deming only references quality in points 3, 5, 10, and 12a. Everything else is about management. Deming’s intent here is obviously to build a foundation for management that is an alternative to Drucker’s. This makes him not a complementor but a contradictor to Drucker.
Comments on each of Deming’s 14 points are forthcoming.
Sal Bocchino
September 13, 2012 @ 10:27 am
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Stephen Dunn, PMP
September 13, 2012 @ 10:34 am
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